, the debt ceiling. many members of congress say the last-minute brinksmanship that happened with the fiscal cliff is not going to be repeated when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. others may not be on board with that. republican matt salmon of arizona had this to say. >> i was here in the government shutdown of '95. it was a divided government, democratic president of the united states and a republican congress. i believe that that government shutdown actually gave us the impetus, as we went forward, to push toward some real serious compromise. i think it drove bill clinton in a different direction, a very bipartisan direction. >> joining me now, l.z. granderson and will cain, both cnn contributors. good morning, guys. >> good morning. happy new year. >> happy new year. i'm so glad to be back. i've been on vacation, and i feel like i'm talking about the same stuff, which i am. i wanted just to lay out the idea of a government shutdown for people who can't remember as as far back as 1995 because it